Limited Entry Hunting Opinions

by Mark - The Mooseman
(Mission BC, Canada)

Moose Captured with a Spypoint Trail Camera IR-5

Moose Captured with a Spypoint Trail Camera IR-5

Personally, I think the Limited Entry Hunting Draw System works... seriously, "How could the government get away with a corrupt system?"


Sure, sometimes the government is not straight forward in their dealings, but the truth always comes to the surface. The LEH draw system has been in place since 1993, surely if there were dishonest workings they would have surfaced by now!

Tell us what you think! Did you get a draw this year? How long has it been since you received one?

We (my partners and I) have been diligent in putting in for the draws for years. We have until the 2012 season always put in for the same areas.

UPDATE 2013: No moose draws again for us! :-( We applied for a shared hunt in Northern BC, our group consisted of two previously successfully drawn hunters (on their 4th year) and two never applied before. We thought we'd have a really good chance of success this time... oh well.
We'll still be headed to the same area for the archery season.
Two of us were successfully drawn for mule deer doe tags.

UPDATE 2012: We didn't receive any limited entry hunting moose draws for this season. We will be heading to Northern BC for the "Any Bull Moose - Archery Only Season". This particular season is only 8 days in length... but it is during the first week of October. What does that mean to us... PRIME TIME! Peak of the rut!

We have studied the numbers, watched our success or failures in the draw... and it comes right down to a gamble.

Yup... just like gambling... you put your money down and hope your number comes up. On occasion is does... then Yahoo!

Of course there are the years following when you don't get drawn. This is because of the enhanced odds system, even this seems to work. When we are drawn, for the next three or four years we aren't. That doesn't stop us from studying the numbers and trying to second guess the system though. We do try...

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How about you? What do you think?

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Unjust LEH System
by: Anonymous

I have lived in B.C. since 1992 and I have giving up on the LEH system. Every year I have applied for 3 different LEH tags and I have never had any success. I have friends who have been successful numerous years in a row for moose. One year I applied for a elk draw here on Vancouver Island for my hunting partner due to the fact he was out of province on course. It was the first year he applied for a LEH and he was successful. The following year we both applied for elk and he received another elk draw. Not bad he applied twice and received two elk draws. I still apply for the elk draws but no other draws. I no longer hunt for moose, I just stay here on the island and hunt for blacktails. There has to be a draw system that is fair for everyone. People like myself have stopped hunting due to the unjust system here in B.C.

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the current leh system works as designed but
by: Anonymous

The lottery system as it is set up is totally FAIR. BUT we all start at zero even if we have received a draw for 15 years or 2 years continuous.
THe Govt is STUBBORN and refuses to change any system which they have installed,
They listen to NO one other than guides/outfitters and their booksmart BIOLOGISTS.
they refuse to even consider a progressive system like alberta!
Maybe the BCWF should start a petittion!!!!!

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OBVIOUSLY LEH Admin are NOT Hunters
by: Anonymous

OBVIOUSLY
Yup another LEH year goes by and NO award for Island Elk....

FIVE FAMILY MEMBERS have been applying for EVERY YEAR which the LEH has be out.... and still nothing.

I had written the ADMIN people at the Ministry of Environment and recommended that the look at ALL past successful applicants for Island Elk.... "Oh no, we can't do that, it would be unfair...."

BULLSH@!

What is unfair is that THIS YEAR EVERYONE (REGARDLESS if they were successful or not) starts at ground ZERO and ALL are equal and eligible for the NEW and improved LEH Draw system.

REALLY.... I feel SICKEND by the ATTITUDE of these people who set up this system..

ONE OTHER NOTE: WHAT a pile of CRAP just to register and to sign on.... and to apply; I personally was NOT able to complete ALL applications for other family members because the system CRASHED.... 25 + times.... "We have that issued resolve, they said to me...

"Riiiiiight, I am sure you have....." my response

Good luck to ALL successful hunters

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LEH Success...
by: Mark - The Mooseman

Well, our bunch of hunters didn't get a moose draw (5 entries) up in Northern BC this year or an Elk draw (3 entries) on Vancouver Island.
However, I did get a draw for antlerless mule deer (1 entry) in MU-3.
Now it's up to me to find the time to get out there in November.
Good luck to those who did get draws this year!

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Disappointed AGAIN
by: Anonymouslorry

This LEH does not work. 17years now with out a draw. It's BS

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LEH Draws
by: Fred Pockrant

I have been filling out draws since they introduced Elk in our area and have never got a draw and other people in this area get them quite often as well as draws elsewhere. Something fishy about this system !!!

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leh draw is flawed
by: ibuymeat

So..........25 years of moose draws, I have never received 1, never put in areas with odds more than 10:1, mostly 5 or 6 to 1.
Very hard to convince me the system works, when I have friends who have received draws at least every other year, sometimes each year.
Yes, the system has let me down.

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moose
by: Anonymous

22 years 1 draw at about the 14 years ago, MU 5-02B
I know 8 people that got it 10 years in a row! A women moved to Williams lake 5 years ago she has got a draw every year. Gave Victoria her hunters number and them came back with 13 people got it 2 years in a row? I asked how is this possible? They said they didn't know. These people were supposed to have a 50% less chance then me! Yes, something is defiantly fishy and corrupt.

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Yep, Just Luck
by: Mark - The Mooseman

Two brothers in Sooke BC have been applying for 35 or so years for Elk on Vancouver Island. They managed one draw for 2015 and harvested a nice 5 X 5 Bull.

Another friend who lives mid-island applied for Elk last year (2015) for the first time and was successful both in the draw and hunting.

Go figure? Maybe he knows someone in Victoria? lol

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It's ONLY LUCK...
by: Anonymous

I would (our family) love to get a Vancouver Island LEH draw before I am dead.

How many years has the LEH been running... 20-30 yrs? I have seriously lost track of how many years the LEH has ran...

8 x 25 = 200 entries (sad story) just unlucky I guess

Our neighbour who also applies for Isl Elk has had 5 elk draws over the same period -just lucky I guess?

I wonder I'd a priority system similar to that of Alberta's LEH system would work in BC..? Perhaps? I am sure I am not the first to suggest this.

This should also apply to guides & outfitters; I would seem as if the trend is to allocate more and more tags to the guides and outfitters.

We will continue to apply for Island Elk - wish us luck

Cheers



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Leh draw procedure
by: Darryl

Why do we not have a system like Alberta where your chance in an leh draw increase each year?
Until you are drawn and then they decrease and you work your way up in priority each year you are unsuccessful?

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fixed
by: jake letkeman

check my record and you tell me if it's fixed

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LEH Draws
by: Rupert T.

I have lived in this province since I retired from the Military in 1996.
I have bought draw tags for moose in area 5 and doe LEH in the same area.

To date never had either draw. I did get one draw for antlerless elk up in area 7-21 or 22. Unfortunately, due to illness, I could not participate.

Having posted this mini rant, I have one question, why can we not have a system similar to Saskatchewan where you can get a draw every 4 years? Just a suggestion.

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Nope, doesn't work for me
by: C James

22 years in low odds areas, not a draw ever!
As a butcher, I have clients and friends who repeatedly get draws, this is a corrupt system, and I do know someone who stuffed the 'shared' hunt envelope with $100, yup, they got the draw!
As honest as any government can be......!

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Change the system
by: Falkland Jack

I lived and hunted in Alberta for 7 years. They have a way better system over there. Every year you don't get your draw, your priority moves up. In other words, you are almost guaranteed to get your draw after 3 years. If for some reason you can't go one year, you put in a card with a 999 code, and your priority still goes up. Way better system!

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It's rigged
by: Anonymous

I know 7 people that put in for goat in 7-2 H, there were 2 tags up for leh draw. None of us got the tags....and the odds ended up being 3.2:1

In other words 6.4 hunters applied for the 2 tags...something is fishy I'd say.

Also know a lady that got bull moose 7-10 4 out of 5 consecutive years.....took me 12 years to get the same draw...something is stinky in leh city I'd say.


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BAM!
by: Mark - The Mooseman

My dad and I got a shared moose draw this year. Our first moose draw in 5 years.
Long story short, we went hunting in an area where the moose population had dropped (according to stats).
We got our bull on the first day within an hour of leaving camp!

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LEH vancouver Island Elk Draw
by: Anonymous

Sure the odds are against you but I have been putting in since 1989 in MU 1-10c and nothing. I keep thinking this is the year, getting used to being disappointed. I met hunters getting 2 draws back to back in the same area. I haven't been drawn in 25 years! I am convinced it is flawed. I don't even put in for draws anywhere else. I hunt the open season. One disappointment is enough.

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redo the whole draw
by: Anonymous

I believe in LEH, but it has to be more fair. You get a draw for a certain species.

Don't even try for the same next year. Going on 12 years without a moose draw. This year i even shook it up a bit, I moved. It's horse crap the whole system.
Then they remove calf season. Which they should have done a long time ago, but fix it. It is BULL.come on!

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Nada
by: Mark

Sixth year in a row and nothing. Last draw I ever got was a doe tag for whitetail and weather closed me out... Don't know why I bother anymore.

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LEH System is Flawed
by: Northern Moose

The other guys in our group drew two tags for Burns so we are happy.

But, the system is flawed.

We have two groups that apply each year in the same area and four in each group.

Group 1: me, my son, Steve, and Steve's step son. Group 1 has not drawn a tag for 4 years now.

Group 2: my wife, Mike, Bart, Steve's wife.
Group 2 has drawn tags last three years in a row!

They are supposed to have reduced odds!!

Four years ago Group 1 drew tags in MU7 the same time Group 2 drew as well.
If you go by what the regs say, Group 1 should have been successful and Group 2 should have had no chance this year or last.

The reduced odds system is a farce and this is proof of it!

I know another group that hunts there too and I talked to them today... they have drawn nothing 5 years in a row.

I would like to have the Limited Entry Hunting operators explain there way out of this one.

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Never won a draw, ever!
by: Rocco Alberti

I have never won a draw and I have been putting in for the draws every year for the last 15 years at least. Then I have friends who get a draw every year. Seems like an unbalanced system.

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LEH Very limited
by: Anonymous

I am very frustrated for never once getting a draw since L.E.H. inception. This year especially as I was hunting for spike forks but only called out four big boys. I have tried everything but putting a $100 dollar bill in the envelope.

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Sometimes you have to wonder about LEH...
by: Anonymous

I spoke with my buddy yesterday and he tells me that two of his friends got a bull draw for this year in region 6.
They were quite happy about that considering they were drawn last year for the exact same area!!!

So much for the reduced odds system of limited entry hunting?

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It all depends...
by: Anonymous

A lot of the comments I hear about the LEH draw usually reflect whether anyone has drawn anything recently. There's always some tags that can be drawn with low odds, but usually in inaccessible areas. The hunts that all resident hunters want, of course, are rationed and low odds. It's a pity they don't bother letting you know that you didn't get anything now. It's harder to find out when they hold the draw and this year I had no idea if I should make any plans.

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Draws
by: Anonymous

Ive been putting in leh draws since 1992. The first year I got a calf elk in 4-22 but didn't shoot one.

Then not one elk draw since so after they started all the draws in valley bottom. I gave up putting in for elk and bought a bow, because I want to hunt in the back country(no draws there anymore)

As for moose that's another story with odds reduced if you are successful.
It is a lottery that I buy a ticket for if I win on a 6/49 ticket my odds are not reduced,and that's the way it should be.

Odds reduction is not fair for the successful hunter.

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leh
by: Anonymousfarmergord

The system sucks.Since 1984 I have put in for moose in 5-1 or 3-30 every year and have never been drawn. But I know people who put in the same place and get pulled EVERY year. It's not a lottery at all.

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buffalo tag
by: Anonymous

Ya it works; I my self got a buffalo draw back in 1997 in 7-52 I think. Right at May's Kitchen in Pink Mountain area.

The first morning out pow! A 654 lb buffalo. It worked for me, I seen some of the biggest buffalo that has ever been seen 3 out of 200 hundred were so big I would have not shot them out of fear of not being able to kill it with a 338 cal!

Two out of the three had a head as big as the front end of my dodge p/u I... kid you not! OMG!
Dan Click the Moose Hunter

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